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Save it works as intended. PnP rules it is Improved invisibility.
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However as Seheren points out there appear to be pencil and paper D&D rules stipulating that this spell actually works as designed.
If considering paper and pencil mechanics with the paper and pencil description (and we should), it doesn't, because in paper and pencil, you can trace the source of an attack from a Greater Invisible PC and interact with it. In the Obsidian game engine, without See Invisibility or similar, you can not. This is why Greater Invisibility, after a hostile action, removes the invisibility but grants 50% concealment: the targets being attacked should be able to identify the source of the attack and go after it.

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If a character tries to attack an invisible creature whose location he has pinpointed, he attacks normally, but the invisible creature still benefits from full concealment (and thus a 50% miss chance).
Therefore, Retributive Invisibility does not work as intended, in NWN or PnP.
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Search it before stating it is broken.
Obviously, I did, else I wouldn't have posted the issue. Thanks for tackling this, Cornuto.
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It isnt greater invisibility.. It is Improved invisibility which is different.. It is what Pixies have.

That description was the copied from the complete arcane source book.. Though if it needs to be in line with the NWN2 description thats fine.
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Pixies are somehow more invisible?
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The normally carefree pixies ferociously attack evil creatures and unwanted intruders. They take full advantage of their invisibility and other abilities to harass and drive away opponents.
Greater Invisibility (Su)

A pixie remains invisible even when it attacks. This ability is constant, but the pixie can suppress or resume it as a free action.

I've pretty well summarized the argument in my previous post.

Edit for additional info: Greater Invisibility and Improved Invisibility are the same thing, I'm pretty sure.
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No, they are different.. Improved invis means that the invis does not break until the spell is over. Attacking does not bring you out.
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No, they are different.. Improved invis means that the invis does not break until the spell is over. Attacking does not bring you out.
That's the same thing as greater invisibility.
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You still get attacked by anything you attack or is close enough to you IG. They dont all just stand around, except on rare occasions.
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