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Lotus 10-01-2015 06:00 PM


Yeah, it's probably about time for this. I would hope/presume this means no re-creating old characters. I'd like to see a truly fresh start.
There will be no re-creating of old characters, no descendants of old characters.

Please remember to remove all the junk items from the loot tables. Those chain gloves.
Yeah, loot tables are being changed to get rid of junk items.

I'll personally be keeping an eye on MoMF. It's one of the few PrCs unique to Sundren and I really, really enjoy the RP chances it gives, but it suffers in combat, especially if you lower the level cap.
Yes, this class will be getting some love, probably in the form of our evaluating its forms and buffing as necessary.

I'm mostly hoping this doesn't create excessive PvP, but I consider this a really delicate change, because players shouldn't be discouraged from joining underplayed factions or feel forced to join a particular faction for the opposite reason.
It's to be determined, but many points will probably be held on a timer and won't be assailable when held by a PC faction. After so much time goes by, the outpost will revert to NPC hostile control to be conquered by a different faction.

Again biased by previous characters I've made, but I'm hoping druids and rangers still have a faction and ideally a store.
Still under discussion. The "natural" types don't lend themselves well to a faction in the context of server plot and DM resources. However, we're looking at retaining the organization of nature PCs as an RP device with incentives (RP hub, themed store).

I much prefer the idea of druids and rangers filtering into the various other factions as each PC tries to discern which entity best suits his or her interests.


On the matter at hand, will Faction Control Points have a hook into GBX' Faction Wealth system?
Not likely. It's hard to retain that data from reset to reset. We'll probably disable that system unless something more interesting than "You are in a faction. Here are GPs" manifests.


Does this mean Sundren will be a low magic server or is that yet to be determined?
"Low magic" is such a misleading term. The magic level of a server, truly, is whatever level of spells the magic users can cast. Gear for a level 15 PC will be in the +2/+3 range. A PC at level 20 can expect to be using mostly +3/+4 equipment, which will be attainable through crafting.

Redjack 10-01-2015 06:48 PM

Curious to the fate of Vampires? Will Colibrus and his family be purged from the server?

Kasso 10-01-2015 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by Redjack (Post 174595)
Curious to the fate of Vampires? Will Colibrus and his family be purged from the server?

Would be nice to see vampires return in some form or another, it is a flavor that is unique to Sundren among servers. Though they don't lend themselves immediately well to a city-based faction systems, unless they exist as a sort of cult between cities post-wipe?

Torgar 10-01-2015 08:35 PM

As an owner of one of the last vampires around, I think it's fine if they are gone. Especially if the cap gets moved back, a level 15 vampire against level 15 people is just too powerful from a PVP standpoint, and unfortunately it has been proven many a time to be extremely difficult to get RP other than a fight from those not in the same faction. I personally prefer the idea of the vampires being scary NPC's that the players face, not 1-3 players who together could wipe the server if they wanted too. But, that's just my opinion on it.

ManUtd4Ever 10-01-2015 08:39 PM

I remember being in game and seeing the likes of Clive or Ruby log into and getting excited about the impending conflict. The fear on the server was thick. Back when Clive would hunt near 2nd Wind... Characters traveled in groups for fear of meeting a vampire alone on a dark road. Ruby would confront groups at a time and most would recoil in fear. IMO, this made the server special and exciting. I too would like to see them return in some form.

Lotus 10-01-2015 08:40 PM

We won't have vampire PCs again for the forseeable future. They'll exist as an NPC influence.

ManUtd4Ever 10-01-2015 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by Torgar (Post 174597)
As an owner of one of the last vampires around...

Magnus and Allan were the last two active Vamps that I remember.

ManUtd4Ever 10-01-2015 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Lotus (Post 174599)
We won't have vampire PCs again for the forseeable future. They'll exist as an NPC influence.

NPC influence? Intriguing.

Sparkie 10-01-2015 10:26 PM

Actually, Manu, Torgar is one of the last vampire players, with Iskaroth. While on the topic of vampire pc's, I think it's best to do away with them. They are insanely powerful, not just in terms of stats, but abilities. I mean, just a look at their wiki entry reveals how strong they are. And it's due to this sheer strength that I think they should be done away with. They'd work best in an npc position, if for no other reason than it keeps one player or group of players from becoming a bit too powerful in an non-roleplay specific way. And when one team's got all the cards or powerful players, people will start flocking to that team, which destroys any conflict and makes things boring.

And actually, as a bit of a personal rant: Yeah, sure vampire PC's make for an interesting rp environment where people are grouping together to travel the roads at night because a powerful big bad vamp just logged in, but to be honest? That should've been happening regardless, since the threats in Sundren are many, with some prime examples being bandits, goblins, gnolls, and run-of-the-mill orcs. And while there are some pretty powerful people wandering the valley, let's not forget that there's also soem very powerful threats in the Valley as well. Enter lycanthropes, the Bloodmaim, and yes, Vampires. Really, travelling in the Forgotten Realms is dangerous, even more so at night when certain things can come out, not to mention your visibility's considerable lower, and lighting up a torch to see can also make you a target. *turns off waffle iron on this particular topic*

In any case, I really do look forward to seeing the changes that get made, and seeing this server really up and going again.

Memnoch1962 10-03-2015 08:03 PM

I'm wondering.... what will happen to all the Characters that we all played recently. I don't mean the Vault Characters, I mean the people that we played that were a part of Sundren. Will they just fade away and be forgotten or will Sundren History have some sort of record of them?

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